EXCLUSIVE: Antonia Tully, SPUC, UK – “Two men or two women is turning upside-down the purpose and concept of marriage”


Interview by Stefania Armanca, Stiripentruviata.ro

Mrs. Antonia Tully is the coordinator of the campaign “Safe at School” on behalf of the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children (UK) and last month she came to Romania to deliver a series of conferences detailing the dangerous approach to sexual education practiced in British schools, warning parents to be vigilant as to what their children (aged as young as 7 years) are being taught – and with what sort of materials. With Mrs. Tully’s help, British parents were able to get out of schools curriculum very sexually explicit materials endangering their young kids’ minds. The materials were as offensive as the television networks refused to broadcast some of the images which were currently being shown to kids aged 7-9 years in schools.

Q: Mrs. Tully, you have shown us how homosexual behavior is being presented in British schools to very young pupils, through educational materials which reverse gender roles and teach children same-sex relationships. Can you please detail to us how it has come to this?

A: We have this situation in Britain, where same sex marriage was legalized in 2013. Despite a huge public outcry, lots of protests against this becoming law in the UK, the Prime Minister David Cameron wouldn’t listen and it was just pushed through the House of Commons and became law.

At the time, the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, which I work for, mounted a campaign against the same sex marriage bill for two reasons:

  1. Firstly, because the institution of marriage between one man and one woman is the most protective for unborn children. An unborn baby is four to five times more likely to be aborted outside marriage [1]. So marriage is a huge protection for unborn children.
  2. The second message that we had during the campaign was that school and schoolchildren would be the first targets of promotion of same-sex marriage and homosexuality if this became law – and that has been the case.

You can imagine that while this bill was coming through the Parliament, a lot of people had this attitude: “I don’t care. If two people love each other and want to get married, it’s not going to affect me”. But it is affecting everybody in the country, whether they know it or not – most particularly, those who have children at school.

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There are a number of homosexuals’ rights groups who are going into schools, basically indoctrinating [2] young impressionable children with the idea that there is no difference between a man and a woman getting married and two men getting married or two women getting married. That is the culture right now in the UK (above, pictures from some materials for UK school children).

Q: How do you explain that there is actually a difference [3] between heterosexual marriage and the so-called “same sex” marriage? Some people seem to not be able to grasp it anymore. They say it is all about love.

A: Yes, the idea that it doesn’t matter that it is a man and a woman or two men or two women is basically false. If you look at physical [4] and emotional [5] level, relationships between two men are not equivalent to the relationship between a man and a woman. There is increasing amount of documentary evidence that show the damaging physical effects [6] of homosexual relationships and the damaging effects on mental health [7] on men who have sexual relations with each other.

So, just on a purely physical and emotional level, homosexual men in active homosexual relationships have very poor physical and mental health by comparison to heterosexual men.

Moreover, once you enshrine in law the reality that two men can marry and have a family, you are automatically deny children the right to have a mother and a father. And that’s really the heart of the issue. What does this mean for children? Traditionally, when you have a man and a woman dedicated to each other and to the child in marriage, the child is in a secure position and the focus of their marriage is the child.

Where you have two men or two women, only one of them is ever going to ever have a biological relationship with the child. And the focus is shifted. Same-sex marriage is all about two adults gratifying their sexual pleasures if you like and the child is only secondary, the child is not the focus of the relationship. If the child is the product of the biology of both man and woman, then both parties have a really strong natural interest in the child and the child’s welfare. When you’ve got two men or two women, then that is not the case. It is turning upside-down the purpose and concept of marriage. Really it’s all about what happens to children.

Q: So the child serves the same-sex couple, while, on the other side, it’s the heterosexual couple that serves the child.

Absolutely! That is very neatly put.

A: Of course, the homosexual argument is: “Well, if two people love each other, it doesn’t make any difference and they can bring up the child happily”. But there is now emerging evidence and studies showing that children brought up by same-sex couples don’t do as well as those brought up by their own married biological parents – on almost all counters: in terms of health, educational achievement, mental health, ability to make progress in life. On all these chapters, children who come from families where they spent 18 years with their biological parents do better than children brought up by lone parents and much better than children those brought up by same-sex couples.

An important point about same-sex couples having children is that they are deliberately creating children to place them in a disadvantageous situation [8].

And that’s quite unlike the situation of adoption for example, where a couple gives a loving response to an existing situation: the child’s natural parents can’t look after the child and another couple takes it on. Or in the case of the single parent who didn’t deliberately set out to have the baby (it was an unplanned pregnancy) or a marriage has broken down and one parent is left with the child.

While there may be aspects of that which are not ideal, the outset is not to place those children in a disadvantageous situation [9]. It is deliberately creating a child in a situation which is not good for the child. There are emerging now a number of studies [10].

But bear in mind that there are very few children being brought up in same-sex families. So, to get a big enough cohort of children raised by lesbian or gay parents is quite difficult. But these studies are coming though. It’s really about what this is doing to children.

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Q: Is it true that judges prefer to give children for adoption to gay couples in UK?

A: That is certainly the case. There are adoption agencies that quite blatantly give children to gay couples. You can go on their website and they will have, for example, gay adoption week, when they deliberately ask gay people to come forward. A number of years ago there were a number of adoption agencies run by the Catholic Church in England and Wales and when they were forced to place children with gay couples, they severed their links with the Catholic Church. So there are now no Catholic adoption agencies. All of them have just given up and they will place children with gay couples and they are no longer attached to the Church. They were forced legally, the law said they couldn’t discriminate against gay couples. It was very sad that in the whole of England there wasn’t even one adoption agency that would stand up and fight against it. We even have one Catholic diocese in England where the bishop is still holding church collections to fund the adoption agency which is no longer part of the Church and this agency is placing children with gay couples. So Catholics are funding this! That is a real scandal. So this is how bad things have got.

We now have a culture in Britain where you can’t say anything about homosexuals – not even just a neutral statement – without being branded as somebody full of hatred and homophobic. We are in a very bad position.

Q: A few days ago, fashion designers Dolce & Gabbana gave an interview saying that traditional family is only one. Then Sir Elton John said they should not dare call his children “synthetic”. Therefore, contradicting an opinion and not endorsing a way of life is being interpreted as a personal attack to those who share that opinion or way of life. How to deal with such situations?

A: It’s a funny thing, those two men, Dolce & Gabbana are themselves homosexual, so it’s a little bit funny… At least, they’re being hones that children do need a mother and a father. And, of course, it’s exactly that sort of comment. And they’re doing no more than speaking the truth that just inflames the homosexual community and now everybody’s hysterical about this and wanting to boycott Dolce & Gabbana. Of course, Elton John is an iconic figure in all of this. He has stayed with his husband David Furnish and they have these two children.

But, in many ways, they are not typical of homosexual couples, because most homosexuals actually don’t get married. We looked at this carefully and in most countries where same-sex marriage was legalized in the first year a few got married because it was a novelty. Then it completely tailed off, because the very nature of homosexual relationships is that monogamy and fidelity [11] are not part of their lifestyle.

Q: But same-sex marriage is promoted exactly like that…

A: It is. But it is a completely false idea that homosexuals stay in monogamous relationships. They don’t. And you can see that reflected in their sexual health [12], which is very poor. For example, HIV/AIDS is much more prevalent [13] in the homosexual community, because they are promiscuous. But of course that is a sort of deeply politically incorrect statement to make, although it is actually a fact [14]. But nobody would dare say that publicly in the UK.

Elton John has this sort of iconic status, but it is not a true reflection of most of the homosexual community [15], who do not stay in long-term relationships [16].

Q: Then why ask for marriage?

A: All this has been discussed extensively during 2013. It’s like the push for same-sex marriage has really less to do with enabling gay people to marry and much more to do with yet another step in the gay rights agenda. It’s making homosexuality more mainstream, helping to normalize it more. This is exactly the message that is getting into classrooms: that homosexuality is just as normal as heterosexuality. This is the message going to young impressionable minds who wouldn’t understand the real implications. By the time they grow up, they will think there is no difference between two men or two women getting married and a man and a woman getting married. That’s the way they would have been taught to think.

Q: Why don’t we talk more about the following steps on the way opened by same-sex marriage? A logical consequence of this opinion that the state should open the institution of marriage to persons who want to have access to it on the basis of their love/sex relationship has led to bizarre ceremonies: in August 2013,three lesbiansfrom the American state of Massachusetts, Doll, Brynn and Kitten, got “married” together; this year, on Valentine Day,three gay menfrom Thailand, Joke, Bell and Art, also became the first gay throuple to get“married”. Let’s not forget that in 2006 over 300 American academics signed the declaration in support of polyamorous “marriage” (“marriage” between any number of men and women). In this declaration, entitledBeyond Same-Sex Marriage, they say there are other „legitimate families” which should be recognized as such by the state: among them, „committed, loving households in which there is more than one conjugal partner”. How do you comment on this?

A: It is often claimed that, in the words of the famous Beatles song “All you need is love”.  But love does not justify any combination of people forming a relationship and claiming that it is the equivalent to a family comprising one man, one woman and their children.  The marriage of one man and one woman for life is certainly about love, but it is also about their commitment to any children they have.

Same-sex families are really about adult sexual rights, they are not primarily about children.  If children are really the priority we would want them to be in an environment where they will do best – that is with their married biological parents.  John Smeaton of SPUC recently told a conference in the US: “We are sacrificing children on the altar of adults’ sexual rights”.

Q: Homosexual relations are becoming very visible in society and recently you have warned Romanian parents that they will be promoted in schools (also during the sexual education classes) as an alternative culture which needs to be known and even embraced as a legitimate one. Do you think this situation will also lead to a widespread in practice of homosexual behavior?

A: I think it does make children very vulnerable. Just to what extent this type of education impacts on later behavior we’ll have to see. But my feeling is that it makes vulnerable children even more vulnerable. If you look at what happened with sexual education, with programs that normalize sex to children and sexualize children in the classroom and make them prone to premature sexual activity… another tragedy we have in the UK is the epidemic of sexually transmitted infections – a silent epidemic.

Q: This epidemic shows the biggest STD-rate increase on the teenage and 20-somethings population segment [17], so those who have been sexually educated in fact…

A: Yes. And the tragedy about many sexually transmitted infections is that they show no symptoms. Particularly for girls, whose reproductive system is open and very vulnerable, there are no signs. But, by the time they are in their 20s or 30s and want to have children, then the problems can kick in.

Getting back to the homosexual issue, I think the way in which they started promoting it as part of the public education in British schools, I think it is making children much more vulnerable to homosexuality. It is confusing for children. They will be growing up without any clear sense of what it is to be a woman and what it is to be a man – this blurring between gender roles that is being promoted.

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Q: What about the genetic predisposal to same-sex relationships?

A: “Is there a gay gene?” [1], is the prevalent question. From what I have read, the answer is no [19]. There is no “gay gene” as such. But there is this emerging discipline of epigenetics, which is a complex area of science. I don’t claim to know too much about it, but it says, very broadly, that environmental factors can have a deep impact on genetic factors. It’s a sort of combination of nature and nurture, rather than being nature or nurture. Some people could become predisposed to homosexual behavior given certain environmental factors such as upbringing, emotional impact on the child while growing up. The idea that you are born gay in the same way that you are born black is increasingly less credible.

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[1] “For the early 2000s, we estimate that 82% of induced abortions were experienced by unmarried women, up from 60% in the late 1970s. (…) In Japan … Eighty-nine percent of induced abortions were experienced by unmarried women in the early 2000s, up from 66% in the late 1970s. (…) In the United States about a third of premarital conceptions are aborted, whereas in Japan this happens to more than a half of such conceptions.” (study „Marriage, Abortion, or Unwed Motherhood? How Women Evaluate Alternative Solutions to Premarital Pregnancies in Japan and the United States” de Ekaterina Hertog and Miho Iwasawa, in Journal of Family Issues, June 5th, 2011, online: http://www.sociology.ox.ac.uk/materials/people/ehertog/Hertog-and-Iwasawa2011.pdf)

[2] “They accuse us of exploiting children and in response we say, “NOOO! We’re not gonna make kids learn about homosexuality, we swear! It’s not like we’re trying to recruit your children or anything.” But let’s face it—that’s a lie. We want educators to teach future generations of children to accept queer sexuality. In fact, our very future depends on it. (…) I and a lot of other people want to indoctrinate, recruit, teach, and expose children to queer sexuality AND THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.” („Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids?” de Daniel Villarreal, în Queer,periodic de cultură LGBT, online at http://www.queerty.com/can-we-please-just-start-admitting-that-we-do-actually-want-to-indoctrinate-kids-20110512)

[3] Study „Comparing the Lifestyles of Homosexual Couples to Married Couples”, by Timothy J. Dailey PhD, Family Research Council, April 7th, 2004, online at http://theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/22SxSo/PnSx/HSx/MarrHoVsHet.htm)

[4] “Exposure to semen causes local immunosuppression, especially in the rectum.” (study „Sexual transmission of human immunodeficiency virus: virus entry into the male and female genital tract” de N.J. Alexander, in Fertility and Sterility, vol. 54, July 1990, online at http://www.popline.org/node/556539)

[5] “Psychiatric disorders were more prevalent among homosexually active people compared with heterosexually active people. Homosexual men had 3 times higher prevalence of mood disorders than heterosexual men. Homosexual women had a 4 times higher prevalence of substance use disorders than heterosexual women. More than twice (2.7) as many homosexual than heterosexual persons had 2 or more disorders during their lifetimes.” (study „Same-sex sexual behavior and psychiatric disorders: findings from the Netherlands Mental Health Survey and Incidence Study – NEMESIS”, T.G. Sandfort et aliiArchives of General Psychiatry, January 2001, online at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11146762)

[6] “Anal intercourse may substantially increase HIV transmission risk even if the infected partner is receiving highly active antiretroviral therapy. (…) Unprotected anal intercourse is a high-risk practice for HIV transmission.” (study „HIV transmission risk through anal intercourse: systematic review, meta-analysis and implications for HIV prevention” by Rebecca F. Baggaley et alii, in International Journal of Epidemiology, April 2010, online at http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/04/20/ije.dyq057.short)

[7] “Cohort members with a predominantly homosexual orientation had rates of mental disorder and suicidal behaviors that were between 1.5 and 12 times higher than for those with an exclusively heterosexual orientation.” (study „Sexual orientation and mental health in a birth cohort of young adults” by David M. Fergusson et alii, in Psychological Medicine – publication of the Cambridge University, UK -, no. 7, July 2005, online at http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=315704&fileId=S0033291704004222)

[8] “69 percent of LMs [children of Lesbian Mothers] and 57% of GFs [children of Gay Fathers] reported that their family received public assistance at some point while growing up, compared with 17% of IBFs [children from Intact Biological Families]; 38% of LMs said they are currently receiving some form of public assistance, compared with 10% of IBFs. Just under half of all IBFs reported being employed full-time at present, compared with 26% of LMs.”

“LMs were statistically … more than twice as likely—19% vs. 8%—to report being currently (or within the past year) in counseling or therapy ‘‘for a problem connected with anxiety, depression, relationships, etc.’’

“23% of LMs said yes when asked whether ‘‘a parent or other adult caregiver ever touched you in a sexual way, forced you to touch him or her in a sexual way, or forced you to have sexual relations,’’ while only 2% of IBFs responded affirmatively.”

“Among female respondents, 3% of IBFs reported parental (or adult caregiver) sexual contact/victimization, dramatically below the 31% of LMs who reported the same.”

(Excerpts from the study „How different are the adult children of parents who have same-sex relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study” by Mark Regnerus, sociology professor at the University of Texas at Austin, in Social Sciences Research, July 2012, online at https://utah.instructure.com/courses/148246/files/16152146?module_item_id=723946)

[9] “Homosexual persons accounted for 97% of the harms to children in custody disputes (molestation, physical abuse etc). 82% of the homosexual parents vs. 18% of heterosexual parents were recorded with poor character in appeals court literature.” (study „Homosexual parents: a comparative forensic study of character and harms to children” by Paul Cameron and Kirk Cameron, in Psychology Reports, vol. 82, 1998, online  at http://www.amsciepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pr0.1998.82.3c.1155?journalCode=pr0)

[10] “Of 1,388 consecutive obituaries in a major homosexual newspaper, 87 of the gays who died had children and registered a median age of death of 47 (the 1,267 without children had a median age of death of 38).” (study „Homosexual parents” by Paul Cameron and Kirk Cameron, in Adolescence, vol. 31, 1996, online at http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1996-07024-001)

[11] “Three out of 4 people described non-monogamy as a positive thing, and said it gave them a sexual outlet without having to lie. Some ‘played’ independently, others as a threesome, and about 80 percent agreed to tell all or some details of their encounters, the rest preferring a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy.” (from the article „Many gay couples negotiate open relationships”, in SF Gate, July 16th, 2010, online at http://www.gaycouplesstudy.org/Many%20Gay%20Couples%20Negotiate%20Open%20%20Relationships%20-%20SFChronicle%20-%20071610.pdf)

[12] “Men who have sex with other men account for 75% of all primary and secondary syphilis cases.” (official press release by CDC – the American Center for Disease Control, 2012, online at http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats12/std-trends-508-2012.pdf)

[13] “Estimated HIV incidence in the US: 21% increase in incidence for people aged 13–29 years, driven by a 34% increase in young men who have sex with men.”  (study „Estimated HIV Incidence in the United States, 2006–2009”, in PLOSone, August 3rd, 2011, online at http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0017502)

[14] “86% of new HIV infections occur within steady partnerships. A reduction of 75-99% in infectivity caused by highly active antiretroviral therapy will be counterbalanced by increases of 50% in risky behaviour with steady partners.”

“Most new HIV infections among homosexual men in Amsterdam occur within steady relationships.”

(study „The contribution of steady and casual partnerships to the incidence of HIV infection among homosexual men in Amsterdam”, by M. Xiridou at alii, in  AIDS, May 2nd, 2003, online at  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12700453 şi la http://journals.lww.com/aidsonline/Abstract/2003/05020/The_contribution_of_steady_and_casual_partnerships.12.aspx)

“Engaging in sex behaviors that are riskier for HIV transmission may be seen by some men as a way to show trust in their partner.” (study “The paradox of trust for male couple: When risking is a part of loving. Personal Relationships” by P. Appleby at alii, in Personal Relationships, 6/1999, 81-93).

[15] “The 2003-2004 Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census surveyed the lifestyles of 7,862 homosexuals. Of those involved in a ‘current relationship,’ only 15 percent describe their current relationship as having lasted twelve years or longer (“Largest Gay Study Examines 2004 Relationships,” GayWire Latest Breaking Releases, www.glcensus.org); 66 percent of first marriages last ten years or longer.” (Matthew D. Bramlett and William D. Mosher, “First Marriage Dissolution, Divorce and Remarriage: United States,” Advance Data, National Center for Health Statistics, May 31, 2001: 1).

“Same-sex couples have 3.1 times higher dissolution odds than opposite-sex cohabiting couples and 11.5 times higher dissolution odds than married couples.” (study „Income dynamics in couples and the dissolution of marriage and cohabitation” by Matthijs Kalmij et alii, in  Demography, vol. 44, February 2007, online at http://www.baylorisr.org/wp-content/uploads/matthijs1.pdf)

“Most research shows that approximately two thirds of long-term male couples who have been together for five years or more are honestly non-monogamous (Shernoff,LCSW, 2007). Only 12% did not play outside the relationship” (“Beyond Monogamy. Lessons from Long-Term Male Couples in Non-Monogamous Relationships” by gay authors Blake Spears – market research specialist – and Lanz Lowen – motivational coach –,  www.thecouplesstudy.com)

[16] “Having an open partnership is not incompatible with same-sex marriage, said [Blake] Spears, 59 [co- author of the study “Beyond Monogamy. Lessons from Long-Term Male Couples in Non-Monogamous Relationships”]. At least half those interviewed were married, having taken their vows during one of the two brief times when it was legally sanctioned in the city or the state. ‘It’s a redefinition of marriage’, Spears said.” (from the article „Many gay couples negotiate open relationships”, in SF Gate, July 16th, 2010, online at http://www.gaycouplesstudy.org/Many%20Gay%20Couples%20Negotiate%20Open%20%20Relationships%20-%20SFChronicle%20-%20071610.pdf)

[17] “Among heterosexuals diagnosed in genitourinary medicine (GUM) clinics in 2013, young people (15 to 24 years) experienced the highest STI rates: 63% of chlamydia cases (56,034), 54% of genital warts (36,312), 42% of genital herpes (12,450) and 56% of gonorrhoea (8,122).”

“Gay men were also disproportionately affected, accounting for 81% of syphilis (2,393) and 63% of gonorrhoea (13,570) cases in male GUM clinic attendees. Gonorrhoea diagnoses rose 26% in this group, nearly double the national rate, which is of particular concern as harder to treat gonorrhoea strains emerge.”

(health statistics of the British Government – official press release by Public Health of England, July 17th, 2014, online at https://www.gov.uk/government/news/sexually-transmitted-infection-risk-in-england-is-greatest-in-gay-men-and-young-adults)

[18] “We also consider and reject a speculative evolutionary theory that rests on observing birth‐order effects on same‐sex orientation. In contrast, our results support the hypothesis that less gendered socialization in early childhood and preadolescence shapes subsequent same‐sex romantic preferences.” (conclusion of the study „Opposite‐Sex Twins and Adolescent Same‐Sex Attraction” by Peter S. Bearman and Hannah Brückner, in  American Journal of Sociology, vol. 107, no. 5/March 2002, online at http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/341906?sid=21106261349723&uid=4&uid=3738920&uid=2)

[19] “Human Sexual Orientation. The Biologic Theories Reappraised by William Byne, MD, PhD, Bruce Parsons, MD, PhD: „Recent studies postulate biologic factors as the primary basis for sexual orientation. However, there is no evidence at present to substantiate a biologic theory” (Archives of General Psychiatry, 1993).” (from the meta-analysis „Human Sexual Orientation. The Biologic Theories Reappraised” by William Byne MD, PhD and Dr. Bruce Parsons MD, PhD, in Archives of General Psychiatry, vol. 50, 1993, online at http://borngay.procon.org/sourcefiles/Byne_Study.pdf)


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